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Elaboration on a previous theory! Plus lots of other stuff. [May. 11th, 2004|08:15 am]
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OK, earlier I had a theory about how Ishval has the key to going into the Gate without paying the toll. Lots of people did not agree with me, based on either Bruce lost his mind or his privates.

But now I know more.

I said once that Ed lost a brother and a limb.
"No, Al lost everything, and Ed lost a limb."
But Al didn't get to go into the gate. He didn't learn all that Ed did about alchemy. He has no reason to pay a toll.
Izumi, we discovered, lost her insides AND the baby-thing. The baby-thing with no soul.
Al's soul is not in his body. It's in the armor.
So far that's two full bodies and two bodybits.

So, even if Bruce *did* lose something, he didn't lose enough. Not according to the pattern above. Unless we haven't seen something.

Also (I know I said this yesterday), Izumi says it looked like the gate to hell. Ed said it looked like the gate of truth. Bruce said "Now I know why Ishvara prohibits alchemy."
It's because it is the truth of alchemy, and it is the gate to hell.

And that reminds me. We were discussing the principle of equivalent trade, and Kym said "It's like a religion to an alchemist." And I can see that. I made the comment "Oh so if there's a starving child in the streets, an alchemist wouldn't give him his sandwich because he doesn't have anything to trade?" and she replied "He would. It only applies to alchemists."
She's right, of course. They take it seriously. So, if an alchemist goes into the gate, he probably feels obligated to do the equivalent trade. Even a very young alchemist like Ed knew what the gate meant when it asked.

(we interrupt this program to bring you this special bulletin: I wonder if Basque Gran is Wrath? Why would Archer ask about a guy who died in episode 15 and whose death is colorfully depicted on my userinfo page? I can't believe he doesn't read my LJ. ;)

But Bruce, even though he was using alchemy, he wasn't an alchemist. He still retained his beliefs, although it seems his faith wanes a bit. He probably did lose his privates, hence Lust. I probably suck! But I love this theory. It's the coolest theory I have. And it makes a lot of sense.


In order to minimize the number of entries I post today, I'm making this one really long.

Here's some great lines.

OK, when I say "great lines", what I mean is "Great lines in Japanese that I've estimated based on a fansub." I suck at remembery.

Greed: "I'm greedy, but I ain't stupid."

Kimberly claps, grabs lizard-man by the tail.
Lizard-man: Oii, exploding me is bad!
Kimberly: Bad? Are you sure?
Lizard-man: BAD!!!!!
Kimberly: Damn.

Al: We better scram.
Ed: Yeah. Taisa's gonna make fun of me.

Someone says "Does the Fuhrer know?" or "Ask the fuhrer" or something, and Envy-as-Fuhrer "How the hell should I know?"



In a quick-bite of other news, I just saw a screencap from ep 15 on the official site that I don't have. Why don't I have that? I have almost every frame of 15! How could I have missed that one? Well, now I have a mission for the evening!


Envy is at least 130 years old. Envy trapped Greed last time. With the skull. What skull? I'll have to watch 22 again (hah like it's a sacrifice ;) I wonder why they hate each other so much.
More importantly, why does Envy hate the Elric father so much? He can't have created Envy, because unless he's inhuman, Envy is much older than he is. In fact, the only homunculi that are younger than Hoenheim are Sloth, Lust, and Moofy. Maybe he took their philstone right before they became human.
I have to say, if I had special powers, I'm not sure I would be so keen on becomeing human.
Lust has the mega-nails. Envy can look like other people. Gluttony can eat people and stuff. Sloth can do all sorts of stuff.
What the hell can Greed do? Am I stupid? I can't quite remember ep 22, when he let everybody out, if he did something cool or not. He must have a special skill, aside from fighting. I mean, anybody can fight. I can't recall seeing him do anything that I haven't seen Envy do. Of course, I am rather dense, so that doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't happened.



Archer asks Kimberly if he wants to rejoin the military. Archer is a bastard. And he's Arnold Rimmer. And Frank Burns.
Anyway, he asks him if he wants back in. Kimberly sorta smiles... no, wait, that's a smirk. Kimberly smirks at Archer.
Next Greed/Kimberly scene: on the beach. (erm, w00t?) We don't get to see anything that happened after the smirk. So, heh, I'll extrapolate.

Archer's all "Wanna come blow stuff up for us again?" and Kimberly's like "Feh! They didn't seem to like my sense of artistic expression last time I was in the military." and Archer goes "This time we'll let you!"
Kimberly "Oh really? Come here I want to show you something."
So Archer goes there. Kimberly claps and grabs him, and he blows up!
OK I made all that up. It would have been a cool scene, though, wouldn't it.




Now, you're asking "Val, how can you hate Roy and like Kimberly? Aren't they both the same with regards to blowing up Ishval?"
And the answer is no.
Roy churns my stomach. In a bad way. His convictions tell him one thing, but when his superior officer tells him another thing, he does that instead. It's not even in his moral code to obey all superior officers, as seen in the Marco incident. He hid Marco, even from superior officers, but he can't bring himself to not blow up Ishval children even though he knows it's wrong. Hell, he killed Winry's parents even though he knew it was wrong, and then he considered putting a bullet in his own head because he done wrong! In my little warped mind, doing something you feel in the depths of your soul is wrong just because you might get fired is reprehensible.
Kimberly's convictions tell him to blow shit up, and he does, regardless of what a superior officer tells him. He doesn't even care that he got in trouble, because he did what was right in his own twisted sense of morality. So even though he blows people up without forethought or remorse, he's still a man of conviction, whereas Roy is a snivelling suck-up.


I'm going to post this now. It's long enough.
RE-EDIT:
Or, edited edit.
I took my rant out, because I was outside, and the most awesome summer rain started! And then the sun came out, and it was still raining! And then the rain stopped, but I did not see a rainbow. It was too awesome, it negated the rant :)

I'm not insanedrop trou!

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From:lashmi
Date:May 12th, 2004 - 03:24 am

a complete coincidence I am here, but it is an interesting read

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I have recently began to watch Hagane and I am fascinated with the anime and the manga. As I am going to an alchemy teacher in a fantasy-larp in summer, I had to do some research on the matter.

Envy is at least 130 years old. Envy trapped Greed last time. With the skull. What skull? I'll have to watch 22 again (hah like it's a sacrifice ;) I wonder why they hate each other so much.

came to the same conclusion - so the oldest homunculi must be Greed, Envy and Gluttony (and Pride?), since the li'l midget seems to be wrath...

More importantly, why does Envy hate the Elric father so much? He can't have created Envy, because unless he's inhuman, Envy is much older than he is. In fact, the only homunculi that are younger than Hoenheim are Sloth, Lust, and Moofy. Maybe he took their philstone right before they became human.

Hm, my theory is that Hohenheim indeed crated at least Envy - we know that Hohenheim did research on Human Transmutation and probably tried to do it in practice (or it wouldn't make sense that he so strongly adviced Mahjal not to undertake it). If Hohenheim tried that, he must also have seen the gate or the truth and be able to do transmutation without a circle.

Alchemy is indeed some sort of religion - in order to make higher alchemy, the alchemist must reach a higher state of mind. To successfully make a Philosophers' Stone he has to reach some sort of "enlightenment" and if he attained that, he normally wouldn't have the need for a Philosophers' Stone anymore.
So, perhaps Hohenheim was able to make such a stone (after making homunculi)? If, then his life span could be longer or he is indeed some kind of immortal.

Hohenheim'S name is also interesting - it points to Paracelsus who was born as (Phillipus Aureolus) Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim and is still recognized as one of the most important alchemists.


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ehm... sorry for the lecture - just my ramblings on that matter ^^°

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From:makaioh
Date:May 12th, 2004 - 06:49 am

Re: a complete coincidence I am here, but it is an interesting read

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Wow, you stumbled in by accident and read that whole entry? I'm impressed :) It took me like 2 hours of conference calls to type that one up!

One of the original myths of the philosopher's stone, outside of FMA, is that it can make one immortal (hence the entire plot of Harry Potter), so it does make sense that if Hoenheim has one, he could be quite old. But you'd think someone would have noticed that sort of thing, and I'm baffled that he runs around for hundreds of years marrying mortal women and fathering children. Or maybe he only married Trisha, and it was some kind of doomed love or something. She didn't seem to know he was evil (if indeed he is evil - he might merely be unpleasant).

The thing about the name Hoenheim, that's good to know! My knowledge of historical alchemy is rather weak, so I'm glad you told me that :)